Interview With a Garden Designer

People of Durham is a podcast hosted by Pascal Zois who helps shine a spotlight on the people who shape our community in Durham Region. I was fortunate enough to be a guest on the 8th episode of the podcast. In this episode we talk about native plants, carbon sequestration, garden design, invassive plants, marketing strategies, and my personal journey in business over the years. Thank you so much Pascal for having me on!

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**The following transcript was automatically generated and may not reflect the actual discourse in the interview.

“All right, dude. >> All right, >> Scott, thanks for coming in, man. >> Thanks for having me. >> Yeah, so for listeners in the Durham region who might not know you yet. >> Yeah, so my name is Scott Carroll. Uh I’m the owner of Carroll Property Services. I started the business in 2020. Um I actually started in Ajax, uh living at my parents house, but I live in Whitby now. So uh yeah. >> So born and raised Ajax to Whitby. How far out do you uh typically service? Uh,

how far will you go? >> Most of my clients are within Durham, I’d say 95%. Occasionally I’ll get someone in Toronto and then occasionally also I’ll get someone um kind of further east with like a bigger property. >> Nice. Wicked. Awesome. Awesome. And so, you know, I also have to say this is actually the uh this is the first episode we’re doing where someone’s reached out to us to be on it. So, this is honestly like we’ve we’ve we’ve reached a milestone.

I just wanted to like make that like super >> Yeah. Well, I I saw um I saw what you were doing with Taran and I saw him posting you around and and uh I was like, you know, I should do this. So, >> awesome, dude. Yeah. Thanks for being here, man. And yeah, repping the the the logo looks sick. That’s a that’s a really really beautiful logo. Who who designed it for you? >> Um this was uh what is it? It’s called Jockey. I’m going to get the name wrong. It’s

It’s one of my one of my guys uh from a restaurant I work at. I I serve as well on the side. So, >> yes. >> Um it’s Jockey Wear, I think it’s called. >> Okay. We’ll make sure we get that right. >> Right. >> But yeah, so um I think the logo I actually got designed on Fiverr years ago. Nice. >> But the shirt is from Jockey Wear. >> So, uh Carroll Property Services Services >> Services >> Services. Wow. Geez, I can’t say surface

services. >> I thought I was nervous. >> I know. I’m glad I’m I’m I’m uh yeah, doing that for you. Uh so, what’s what’s entailed with what services do you uh uh uh provide? >> Yeah, so right now we’re doing a lot of snow removal obviously. Uh but the main services during the the growing season is uh tree planting, garden design, um garden maintenance. Uh we have started providing lawn care services as well. Um we’ve built a few ponds um and some

other some other projects but yeah mainly I’d say it’s the the >> the things I really love are are the tree planting and the garden design. >> Nice. Sweet. That’s awesome. Dude, I may come to you with a pond idea. Nothing huge, but um I’ve got a little space that uh uh could use a pond, you know, just to throw a hockey net on there and and and and have some fun. >> The ponds we’ve built has been like it’s a lot of fun cuz it it’s so different from like

the daytoday what I’m usually doing. So, it’s a lot of fun doing that. >> Yeah, for sure. And the ones that you’ve done, do you have like pumps and stuff or are they like natural ponds that that you’ve done? >> Um the ones I’ve done, uh it’s just like it’s really just a hole with water in it. some rocks and some plants and stuff. Um, no pumps or anything, but I have looked into that like uh we could I mean we could talk about what you need. >> Okay, sweet. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

You got a sale. >> Dude, that’s great. Yeah, obviously I understand the the snow removal during the winter. Um because I mean there’s no tree planting really with the frozen ground. Um and we had a we’ve had a this is it’s been a rough year, dude. Uh you look healthy and happy and you look like you’re getting some good sleep. We we’ve had a couple bad storms lately, man. Uh do you have a crew helping you >> as well? >> Um so I got one guy who helps me out uh

most of the time. >> Uh >> but like let’s for example the last snowstorm here uh that we had. I started at 2. Um I did a couple properties like kind of on my way to pick him up >> and then he helped me for six hours. We did the whole loop, all my properties, and then I dropped him off, but it was still snowing that whole time, right? So then I had to go around and do all the properties again. I was out for I think about 13 13 and 1/2 hours. >> Mhm. >> But he helped me for six of those hours.

Nice. >> But but yeah, I’ve got a good snowblower, so uh that that takes a lot of the work off my back. >> Wicked, dude. That’s great. Is it mostly residential? Some commercial? >> All residential. Yeah, I have had calls from a couple commercial places, but I don’t have a plow or anything, right? We were just doing the snowblower and shovels, so it’s kind of hard to to bid on those ones. >> Yeah, true. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll uh I’ll I’ll I’ll

I’ll recommend you to my dad. He um uh probably has a lot of connections. >> He used to do a lot of commercial snow plowing actually. Um, and it was uh it was like uh three or four years of running that business and it was it was hard. So I I do know where you’re coming from and I have helped him do the shoveling and the salting and stuff and it’s >> yeah snow can be brutal hours and it’s like you know during the summer when I’m scheduling jobs like I can kind of fit

it into my schedule as as I want but in the winter I have no choice. If it’s snowing >> we’re out there. Yeah, man. can be it can be some weird hours. >> 100%. Yeah. Christmas Eve even or weekends like you can’t can’t tell the snow when to come. >> So then during the warmer months and I think that’s where like the real passion lies obviously. >> Sure. >> Um through our uh common uh uh link which is Taran Ven um he recommended uh some crazy things that you do which are

super interesting. Like you’re not just like your typical like landscaper and gardener. you have like holistic interesting ways. So instead of like me, you know, putting words in your mouth like talk about that like that is so cool. >> Yeah. So I guess um all so I we need to kind of go back to the start to to to go into this. Um so 2020, like end of 2019, I was working for another landscaping company and uh I was just cutting grass all day and I kind of hated it. Uh but I was looking for a job um in the industry that I went

to school for, but I wasn’t even getting any interviews. Um and I knew if I didn’t get something by New Year’s, I I told myself, you know, I need to do something different with my life. Um like I need a new plan. And I still wasn’t getting any interviews. So that’s when I decided to start the business. Um, and because I knew like I kind of knew what my bosses were getting paid for some of these properties and I’m like I can do this, right? So my plan at the time was to just and I I’d done

door-to-door sales before. So my plan at the time was to just knock on doors and say, “Hey, you want your grass cut, whatever.” Um, but obviously you know what happened in 2020? People didn’t people weren’t answering their doors. Um, so I really had to um find a way to differentiate myself um from other businesses to uh to make like the online marketing work. Um because like I I built this website um around lawn care and I I felt like I didn’t have anything to say about it. I’m like

everything there is to say about lawn care has already been said. M >> um so I didn’t have any content to put on the website >> and um so I was kind of looking for what was going to differentiate myself and I think my sister really inspired me um because my sister actually works in wildlife conservation. >> Wow. >> Um up in Perry Sound. So >> um so she really inspired me to kind of look in the like environmental space and um as I was doing research I came across um you know native plants

and carbon sequestration and um you know I thought this was a way that I could not only differentiate myself from the other businesses but make a difference and and feel good about the work I was doing. Um, so yeah, I started learning a lot about native plants. And if you aren’t familiar, really that just means like plants that have um been growing here naturally for a long period of time. Um, and so learning and so these plants are acclimatized to our our weather and they don’t need as much maintenance as, you

know, some of the typical landscaping plants. Um, so you don’t need to necessarily water them as much. Um, and they’re usually, you know, happier with the soil conditions. >> Um, so there’s there’s less maintenance around them. Um, and and also they’re better to a lot of them are good to feed the wildlife. >> Wicked. Right. >> Um, >> are there some that come to mind that off the top of your head by chance? Like what are some natural plants that you are you could tell viewers listening

right now are like these are good plants, you know? >> Yeah. I mean, there’s a ton. It’s uh >> like Canada anemone is a cool one. It’s like a a small low growing white flower, and it’ll spread out and kind of um almost act like a ground cover. Like it’s it’s short. >> Um and that one’s great. Uh one of my favorite trees is a stagghorn sumac. You’ve probably seen them along the side of the highways. They have like these really cool like curly branches and uh

these red fuzzy berries and the birds love those. Uh there’s service berry trees you could do like um um was it milkweed uh is great for the monarch butterflies. Uh yeah, there’s lots and lots. Um I have lots of resources on my website. Yeah, you can also look um at uh plants like Ontario plants, oenplants.ca. Uh that’s a great resource. Uh I’ve gotten some plants from them. And then also uh native plants in Claremont. I get a lot of my plants from there as well. So uh there’s a couple resources

if you want to look into some of those plants. >> That’s awesome. That’s so cool. I’m actually like super inspired. I want you to like come and which leads me to my next kind of question is like so let’s say someone calls you up brings you to the property what are some um obvious things you know to to look for uh size of property where to plant things um um like how close to the to the to the house maybe you want to be a little bit further away if you want to actually the birds are going to go to them I don’t

know what are like like the first things you look at when when going to a a uh a place to plan. >> Yeah. Well, I think I mean at the end of the day like I can’t impose my vision on you, right? Like if you’re the client, >> um you know, we I need to kind of I need to ask you questions to uncover what you want. >> Um and sure, like uh yeah, if you want a tree planted right next to your house, I might be able to recommend that that’s not the best idea. maybe put it a few

feet out. Um, but at the end of the day, uh, you know, I I really need to find out what the client wants and what their vision for the garden is. Um, if it if that doesn’t totally align with me, you know, maybe I can make some compromises or if it’s like completely unaligned with me, I might just say, “Hey, find someone else.” Um but >> yeah really it’s it’s you know and a lot of the clients they don’t necessarily know the the names of the plants but I can find out um you know do they want

shrubs? Do they want trees? Do they want a certain color of flowers? Um and just by asking these kinds of questions I can kind of figure out a plant list and figure out where to go from there. Oh >> that’s brilliant. honestly like yeah listening to your client that shows massive depth of empathy and and then that way like they end up coming out being much happier too as opposed to like not you know 100% like I I’ve got these two cherry blossoms that I wish were not there even though they’re

beautiful uh uh for like one week of the year and then they look ugly for the rest of the year unfortunately. They’re cool and I love them. Um but like yeah personally for myself I wish that there was something else planted there. And so you could give like that advice and stuff. >> Now, what are what’s your opinion on cherry blossoms? >> Um, so I mean it depends like what kind of cherry tree it is. I guess there are natural varieties of course. Um, >> I I think they’re cool. Uh the the thing

is like you were saying, you know, it looks good for one week and the rest of the year it doesn’t. >> Yeah. >> Um, and I think that’s okay. You just need to find other plants to plant around it that are going to provide you that the look that you’re looking for during the other times of the year, right? >> Um, >> nice. >> And actually, uh, so this garden designer that I’ve been inspired by recently, his name is Piet Audolf. I’m probably saying that

wrong, but he’s a Dutch garden designer. And, um, uh, he’s really inspired me. He a lot of the themes in his garden designs are about like birth and life and death and um you know and that’s kind of the cycle that the plants go through every year. You know they they bloom in the spring, they live and and then in the fall they they die and they turn brown. And uh he’s famous for saying uh you know cuz all these garden designers talk about color and having color year round. Um >> and he says brown is a color. So, you

know, he he he actually appreciates uh the the dying plants in the fall and you know, the the color the color that they give even though it’s brown. Uh people don’t think of that as a color, but it is, right? And and that cycle of birth and life and death. You know, it’s something that we go through in 70 or 80 years, but in your garden, you can see that cycle every year. You can see it 70 times throughout your lifetime. You just changed my mind. I love my cherry blossoms now. >> Great. Great. Now I don’t I don’t need

to take them out. >> Every time I look at them, I’m going to be reminded of the fragility of life now. That’s Man, that is so beautiful and deep. >> Um Um I’m not going to lie, like walking into this, I definitely didn’t think it was going to get that poetic. That is beautiful. Wow. That is so cool, man. like like making your garden art and appreciating it any time of the year essentially almost basically. >> I mean even even in the winter like you know your trees are still there the

branches and and like um >> the tree I was talking about earlier stagghorn sumac like if you leave the berries on um like that can actually provide food for for birds like throughout the winter even. >> Sweet. That’s cool man. Nice. And then obviously our our our natural birds that we do have your blue jays, red cardinals, etc. Your random typical birds other than that. >> Yeah, I don’t know. >> I’m a plant guy, not a bird guy. >> Fair enough. Yeah, I um um Yeah, I I

think that would be super cool. I I was looking at these these these bird houses that are like Wi-Fi connected with cameras. I was going to put them up on some places and watch the birds eating. >> Yeah, >> that was a cool >> another way to appreciate your cherry blossoms. >> Yeah, true, man. Okay, so you um you know, actually one thing that that stuck out to me too was like, okay, you worked for a different landscaping business. You saw how much money that they were making obviously and I think that that’s

like an obvious thing, right? But what did you think about like when you finally did become a business owner? Did you were you like this is hard work and it’s >> I mean yeah it’s definitely hard work. There’s new challenges every year or every month there’s a new challenge. Uh but it’s so much more fulfilling like trying to overcome those challenges rather than like um just being kind of told what to do. Mhm. >> Um the money I mean there’s days where I make great money in the business but

then there’s slow times too where you know I’m like oh if I was just working a 9 to5 I I wouldn’t be worried about my bills right now you know. >> True. I know right. Yeah. >> So there’s kind of a balance there. Uh but I would never go back. >> Yeah. It comes down to personality I think truly like um um people that want that like near perfect security of knowing that like okay budgeting their entire lives I’m this is how much and I get to car comp carpentalize like

everything and budget. Uh but also I think like like yeah free birds like you and I. >> I kind of I love the thrill of not knowing where my next paycheck is coming from. >> Wild. That’s wicked. Do you have a lot of return business like every year? Do people obviously come back to you and I’m assuming, right? >> Yeah. So, I have quite a few clients um they will call me back to like mulch their properties or or you know do some maintenance. Uh >> but something I noticed with you know

what I built the business on which is the garden design and tree planting. It’s like >> once the trees are planted that’s kind of it >> for a while at least. Um, and so yeah, it is a lot of like kind of one-off clients. And so last spring I decided, you know, if I ever want to move out of my mom’s house, I need to get some recurring business. Um, so that’s when, you know, before before 2025, I if you had called me asking for lawn care services, I would have said, “No, we

don’t do that.” or I would have said um I would have maybe tried to convince you to um turn your lawn into a garden. >> Um which I’d still love to do, but I have started accepting those lawn care clients. Um and a way that I’ve kind of justified that that to myself um and try to kind of make it work into my philosophy uh is that I actually uh I bought all like battery powered equipment. So, I got a battery powered mower, a battery powered trimmer, leaf blower, uh, everything. So,

you know, even though it’s not the most restorative service that I offer, uh, I do still think I’m I’m, you know, trying to make do it in a more sustainable way than some of the other companies. >> Nice. Wicked, man. >> But yeah, that’s that’s a way that I I’ve been able to kind of build up my recurring revenue, the the lawn care, and then also garden maintenance. a lot of like just weed pulling. >> Sweet, dude. That’s great. Awesome. Honestly, that’s that’s that’s that’s

big. Like, you know, um um there’s a recurring theme with people that come on this podcast that are super interesting and it’s like there are core beliefs that cannot be shaken, right? And I think that is just everyone everyone has core beliefs that they can’t shake and um um but to to to allow for a little bit of room of growth uh for the sake of growing you know yourself right and um do married kids none neither >> well there you go you’re you’re working >> I’m single ladies

there you go awesome >> we’ll start a dating segment dude 100% % like and and like you know what else do we have if not our core beliefs right >> and and we got to stick to them and so yeah big ups to you for >> yeah I mean I’ve also been learning recently that you know it’s not all black and white >> and sometimes I do need to make compromises um because you know some of my values you know it’d be nice if they all work together all the time but sometimes your values are conflicting

with each other and So an example recently, so one of the values I live by is service and um you know when it comes down to it, every job I do in some way I’m serving my clients, right? And uh and then obviously there’s the other value of environmental conservatism um or even environmental restoration and these values don’t always work together, right? So, I I had um this batterypowered snowb blower that I was using to do a lot of my uh a lot of my driveways and it works great. If you want to buy a

battery powered snowblower to do your own driveway, I highly recommend it. They work great. But the problem I was facing is even though I had two sets of batteries, you know, one set of battery might last me four driveways if I was lucky. So then I get halfway through my route and we’re doing the rest of it by hand because the batteries are dead, >> right? >> And so I kind of came to this roadblock where it’s like, okay, what do I care about more? Serving my clients or having

a battery powered snowblower. >> And um so just before this last storm, I went and I bought a gas powered snowblower. And so, yeah, it kind of goes against my philosophy, but it’s it’s allowed me to serve my clients better and um and it’s saving my back a lot of pain. Um and and that’s been great, too. Um so, so yeah, there is this kind of this balance and it’s not all black and white. And I don’t I don’t know if that was the right decision, but you know, I’m I’m happy with it for now.

Anyways, I I I think it was what I needed to do um for the business and also it allowed me to gift the batterypowered snowblower to my parents. So now I know their driveway is going to be clear too. >> Nice, man. Awesome, dude. That’s great. Yeah, I think it’s important to diversify your um tools as well too, you know, like having um um you know, say the the gas powered snowblower goes halfway. or you can make a a pit stop to the parents and grab the electric one and finish the day for instance, right?

Um there’s an old saying uh in the military it’s like you know three is two and two is one and one is none. So if you have no backups like you got nothing to to carry on the fight. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally >> right. So, but I mean, hey, who knows? In the future, you could uh uh reallocate uh assets and have like 10 batteries on standby potentially and and and >> and that could totally work, but uh >> that’s Yeah, that’s that’s not uh >> easier to have one jerry can.

Yeah, true. >> 20 batteries or whatever it is. >> The ultimate purpose of serving your clients. And yeah, I can tell that like you are like that’s that’s top of mind. And so for for that to be more important than like >> you know than than than then then yeah your core philosophy is huge. Um and like it’s so true like when you just your service is just topnotch like you barely need to do any advertising because then you get re recommended and referred to more business right and that

keeps you busy. >> Um yeah. >> Yeah. Let’s talk about advertising. Um, like like you said, like for the snow removal, I mean, I think um the residential snow removal is such an untapped market. Like if if you guys want to get into residential snow removal, like do it. I I’m okay. Um, you know, my phone is ringing off the hook for that. I never need to advertise for snow removal. Um, because people need it. You know, it’s a it’s not a luxury service. It’s a It’s a

necessity, right? Um, and a lot of the landscaping companies don’t do residential at all. They they all they have their commercial contracts and that’s all they do. Um, so I never need to do any advertising for that in the summer. Um, I do um yeah, I do need to do advertising uh and marketing. Um, so, >> uh, when I first started the business, like like I said, I I needed once I figured out what I wanted to talk about and what I how to make content for my website, >> that’s kind of how I landed my first few

clients, uh, it was tree planting clients. >> Nice. >> And this was like just from SEO on my website, which felt awesome. >> That’s wild. Wicked. And then once I did that, it’s like like once you have a website that works um for lead generation, then it’s like you can just throw throw money at it and just boost it. Um you know, whether that’s Google ads or Facebook ads or you know, I’m sure there’s a hundred other things you can do, but that’s what I’ve done is is

Google and Facebook ads mostly. Um and then you just push traffic to the website. once you know that it works, right? Like, and and that’s been really good for me for generating clients in the summer. >> Nice. Yeah, you need a wicked salesunnel. Your website being like the final destination for people to go to, however they get there, whether it’s organic marketing, like videos, like maybe a short like this for instance. Um, or yeah, Google Adwords is great. You know, it only gets used up when

someone clicks on on the link usually. Um, >> and it’s if you do it right. Yeah, >> you’re you’re the traffic you’re generating are people that are specifically looking for your services, right? >> Whereas if you’re advertising on on Facebook or Instagram or, you know, some of these other platforms, >> it’s showing it to, you know, a much wider audience, which can also be good depend depending on what level of the of the funnel you’re at, right? Like are

you at the awareness level or the >> I don’t know all the names like more the sales level. >> True. >> Yes. But >> yeah know everyone’s got a a reason for advertising. Sometimes some people have like too much business and then it’s more about like brand management >> or managing expectations or maybe even like getting rid of your bottom line and trying to like refocus to like different you know so like not every business is is looking for lead generation. So yeah,

there is like different phases of a of a business. Um, do you do you follow any uh like um marketing people, social gurus, things like that? Are there any standouts that come to mind? >> Yeah, when I was first starting the business, um I actually I don’t know if you know Alex Becker >> that sounds familiar. I bought one of his courses, >> which, >> you know, it was such an overpriced course, but it still helped me skip so many steps and like, you know, um, >> you know, where I I would have had to

make mistakes and learn it myself. Like I was able to skip that and and just learn from him. Um he’s I I don’t know about the direction he’s been going in the last few years or even when I was listening to him, but anyways. >> Yeah, >> I learned I learned a lot from him. >> And then I mean I love Alex Hermoszi. >> Sweet. >> Um >> I know those are the two that came to mind. >> Nice. Yeah, Alex Herozi is amazing. My big one that I think kind of changed my

life and my mindset. I was just addicted to it for like literally half a year was Gary Gary Vee. Gary Vaynerchuk. >> Yeah, he’s great, too. >> Like, you know, for a bit like you’re just so inspired by his attitude, but then what you take out of it >> and and you kind of go through like phases of like you don’t want to be like Gary Vee, but when you first learn of him and you know, some people are like, I want to be like Gary Vee, but then really like when you when you go through

these steps, you realize, no, you just want to be your best version of you. And so, here’s just like a hundred things that you could do to help that shine even more, right? um you when you sent me a text actually and I I mistakenly uh uh said like next week to do this podcast uh February 5th and then I was like my bad uh actually is this better and you’re like yes speed is super important and so sooner the better. >> Yeah. >> And like one thing Gary Vee says is like speed is success and patience makes

permanent you know so like balancing those both. Yes. like micro speed success. Do as much as you can and and and like things that are going to actually help and work and whatever, but then also not getting burnt out because it’s so easy to get burnt out. I feel like these days, especially with like so much that you think you need to do. So, having that patience and not getting overwhelmed, not getting burnt out, patience makes permanent long term. But definitely Yeah. But then go back to speed.

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz like like if someone calls me and like let’s say I miss the call, I don’t pick up right away. >> Mhm. >> They’re calling someone else right after, right? They’re looking they’re looking for someone to help them. So if I don’t call them back soon, that that lead is gone. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and that made me think of another place that I actually find a lot of my clients um I’m putting you guys on some game here. Um it’s called bark.com. I don’t

know if you heard of it. So, it’s basically a website you can um like as a homeowner or I’m sure there’s other um demographics, too, but you can post um if you’re looking for a service provider, you post your listing of like what you’re looking for. Um and so I’ve found a lot of clients for my landscaping business on there. I actually even found a uh a marketing client off of there. I I still run her Google ads. I’ve been I’ve been working with her for a few years. Good

for you, man. >> Um uh so it’s a great website for any kind of service provider. Um, but what I’ve found is like if you don’t respond to the listing within a day of it being posted and that’s even pushing it like really you want to be responding them to within a few hours of them being posted cuz I’ve like and the thing is you have to pay credits to to access their contact information. Right. >> Nice. Right. Um, and so I’ve I’ve bought leads from there

that looked like a perfect lead for me, but maybe it was two days ago. It’s never worked for me. >> The the only time bar has worked for me is when I I get in there quick. Um, so >> wild. >> Yeah, it’s it’s speed is very important. >> Yeah, there’s another good example of speed 100%. Um, do you when people call, is there a uh a time of day um that maybe you won’t answer phone calls or any hour of the day good to go? What’s your uh preference? >> It’s not so much about the time of day.

Um, it depends what I’m doing. Like if I’m if I’ve been drinking, I’m not not answering you cuz I’ll say something stupid. >> I’ll do it for free. >> I love you. Um, and yeah, if I’m with family, I may or may not answer, but yeah, it just depends what I’m doing. If I if I have that mental space to to deal with it. >> Nice. Yeah, good for you. Yeah, clearly you’re still in your like not still story. I don’t mean to make it sound like a bad thing, but it’s a good thing

in a way. I’m kind of jealous. I wish I was back then right now. um you know like like the the hustle years where like you will take a phone call if it works with you though. So at least you do have that that that barrier that you know now like an 18month old daughter as of today you know like things life starts happening. You got a you got a wife too, >> right? >> Wait, is her birthday today? >> Um well 18 months. >> Oh yeah, that’s not a birthday. >> Was that one and a half or Yeah,

technically right now. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Like that’s the next frontier, bro. Once you get like everything sorted out financially. Um, and like you will because you’ve got like like you know the uh just you just you’ve got it clearly like look you came branded. I’m in the hoodie. It’s okay. You got it on the wall. Yeah, true. Fair enough, man. Um yeah, life changes and and the um you know, the focus changes too. And like yeah, raising a daughter is like a

it’s not even like a business. That’s not even the right thing to say. It’s like she it’s it’s like nothing like anything you’ve done before, you know? Uh to even try to equate it to like it’s like a No, it’s not. It’s even more than that. It’s it’s like every every week is so interesting too because it’s like even during like pregnancy it’s like okay hey like wow this is crazy this is so wild discovery our little did we know one of our best friends was was coming to to to

Earth to to and like now she’s got this hilarious little personality she’s got so much um uh she’s a little brat actually so we’re going to fix that she’s So cute. And uh uh every little milestone is is awesome, bro. I really can’t wait for you to experience that. And uh um yeah, she’s got uh the little this little stuffy. Um uh it’s called like a a lovey, something that they’re attached to, like a toy, and it’s called Baba. Um uh because it’s a little sheep.

And uh she sleeps with Baba every night. And uh like whenever she sees Baba, she’s like, “Baba.” And it’s so adorable, bro. That’s awesome. >> Going on a Yeah. I mean like Yeah. But but enjoy the business formative years and growing that business and then eventually you probably um you know uh knock on wood I fingers crossed you you know come across someone that either is >> doing their own thing. Awesome. Employed or is willing to work with you too, right? >> If you find someone to to to to raise up

that business or even if it’s not a significant other with your business, maybe you come across a partner or something. It’s hard to do it on your own, you know, but um uh there will be a capitulation point where like you have to pivot and like I need help and either like it’s I’m going to be managing or I need someone to help manage and schedule. >> Yeah, it’s definitely it’s definitely coming to that point like >> um you know my friend who helps me out um he’s been so helpful um in my

business. Shout out Noah. Um, and but you know, he has his own goals and and his own commitments. >> Um, so it’s not like he, you know, he can’t be a full-time employee for me. Um, cuz he has his own things that he’s he’s chasing after, >> right? Um, but yeah, it’s getting to a point where I really do need someone um, who’s willing to, you know, really work on the business and and grow the business with me. Um, but it’s hard to find, it’s hard to find

good, reliable people. >> True. Um, but yeah, that’s that’s just another one of these challenges that’s coming up that is uh, you know, it’s just it’s fun to to face all these new challenges as they come up and and these growing pains, you know, it’s good. It’s good. >> It’s a good thing. It’s a good thing to come across as opposed to like Yeah, obviously the other way, right? You always want to be trying to grow. Um, let’s bring it back a little bit. So, we

are late January, it’s February next month, and then it’s March, and then it’s spring. So, what should people be looking forward to? Um, uh, you know, to to potentially prep their yards? Do you have any recommendations? Um, um, you know, there’s some things with both lawns and gardens. Um, what comes to mind? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, the best time to plant pretty much anything is in the spring. Um because uh you know once the last frost is is over so this is usually kind of midappril

um that’s the best time to plant because it gives your tree I mean other plants too but let’s just go with trees. It gives the tree the most time between planting until the hot days of summer to establish its roots. Um because transplanting a tree is um you know it’s stressful for the tree, right? Um and uh so you want to give it as much time as possible to heal and and grow before more stress comes in the summer. Um so spring is the is the best time to plant. The next best time to plant is early

fall. Um, so after those hot days of summer, um, and then that gives them the most amount of time between planting and winter when it’ll again be more stress. Um, in terms of like in terms of prepping your yard, you know, people talk about like like sometimes people will ask me to like turn their soil and I think that’s a an I I don’t know where that practice comes from, but I don’t think it’s um really helpful. Um, I think like, you know, it if you’re turning the soil, it’ll loosen it up and

then maybe, yeah, then it makes it easier for you to plant things. But I think it’s better to just plant the like, you know, instead of turning all the soil and then planting things, you just dig a hole where you want to plant things and you you know, you be more precise about it because and the problem with turning the soil or plowing the soil is um there’s all these uh microisal fungi. Um, so it’s like a a fungal system uh that grows underground in healthy soil conditions and um these fungi help uh they kind of help

like the plants communicate with each other and um like store different nutrients and break down some of the nutrients in the soil to make them more accessible to the plants. And when you’re plowing or turning over the soil, you’re destroying these systems. Um that and you know, I I don’t think it’s good for the soil to do that. Um so if you’re doing that or if your landscaper is recommending that, um I just I don’t see the benefit. Maybe I’m missing something, but yeah.

Huh. That’s wild. Yeah. I guess it’s a per case basis technically, but >> that is really interesting. So like yeah, there’s obviously it’s almost like uh um you know the um uh what’s it called with like the mushrooms? Um >> yeah, exactly. Microisal fungi. >> Yeah. >> So mo means mushroom. Risal means root. So it’s like root mushrooms. >> Wow. And they literally can like share nutrients and help the plants communicate, you’re saying, and stuff.

That is >> It’s pretty trippy. Yeah, it’s funny because the last episode we did uh with Andrew Valier, we also talked about like Avatar and like again I don’t know every episode we’re going to talk about Avatar and James Cameron. Uh but it’s true though, dude. That is that’s brilliant. And yeah, maybe it depends like maybe there’s maybe in some soil it’s not there and so it’s okay to turn it, but in most cases if there’s like you know you’re you’re you’re kind of disturbing

the ground and and actually potentially actually doing more damage. >> Yeah. And so that’s why I think, you know, you decide where you want to plant things first and then you disturb the soil as little as possible. >> That’s brilliant, man. Wild, huh? Wild. Wild. Wild. That is so cool. Well, so um could it go like could it get like out of hand with growth or you you think like just like let it grow naturally and then maybe look for things that could be invasive though, right?

Yeah, I mean there’s definitely lots of invasive species. Um, some of the some of the big ones, I mean, there’s the obvious ones like thistles and stuff that, you know, they’re all spiky and ugly and and you want to get rid of them, but um there’s another bad one called dog strangling vine. Uh um and it’s just it’s it’s grows so quickly and it’s really hard to pull. And uh and the reason for the name obviously is cuz like uh if they get too if they grow too big your pets or or

wildlife can can get stuck in them. >> Wow. >> Um >> and yeah, I mean there’s a million other invasive plants. Um, but that’s a big thing is is removing those and then not when you remove them, you need to plant something in its place because if you don’t like you’re pulling out weeds and you’re creating this this hole in the ground that’s just it’s like a perfect breeding spot for more weeds. So, if you’re not replacing that with a plant that you

want there, >> um >> you’re just going to be pulling more weeds there again, >> right? What would you recommend? Uh your top choices, let’s say it’s um let’s say like a you know pine and you pulled some weeds out and then you want to grow something else though. What would you recommend? >> Um so pine trees um the needles are very acidic, right? So, you need a plant that can withstand that acidity in the soil. Um, so really good plant for that is actually a low bush

blueberry. Um, blueberries love acidic soil. Um, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen wild blueberries. They’re always like in um like coniferous forests, at least uh from what I’ve seen anyways. Um, so yeah, something great to plant around any kind of uh conifer is blueberries. >> That’s so sick. I I honestly like I can I feel like I can like throw any nature question at you and you’re gonna come with something so poetic. >> I only have so many answers. >> That is awesome. Like my mind’s just

firing off new neurons I never knew it had. Just with like ah yeah, blueberries like acidic and the uh pines are acidic. >> So sick, dude. That is actually amazing, man. You clearly love like your craft and like you’re very knowledgeable on it. That’s wild. That’s really great. I know enough about it to know that I know like almost nothing. But I’m glad you’re impressed. >> Yeah, fair enough. >> To the average person, that’s all for. Uh yeah, but you know what? There’s

probably lots of landscapers that don’t care though either. They just see dollar signs and they’re just like, >> “Yeah.” But I also have clients like they’ll be talk like they’ll be talking to me about more um like more typical landscaping plants and they’ll be saying the names of them and I’m like, “What’s that?” >> Oh, yeah. Like, you know, so funny. So, it does go the other way too. >> True. Gotcha. But that’s great cuz like

you know, if Yeah. people want something different and and unique and it’s going to be like you you clearly know like what’s going to work naturally in that environment. That’s awesome, dude. You’re gonna do an exploratory phase of like finding out what’s going on in in in the property and the land and then just giving like solutions and recommendations based on people’s budgets and their vision too though. Finding out their vision from the first getgo, obviously. >> Any projects that come to mind that

you’re like really proud of in the area? >> Um, definitely the the two ponds that I’ve built I’m super proud of. Um, I think they just really tied together like a a garden. Um, there’s uh there’s been a couple properties too like so the thing is when people call me asking for trees like 80% of the time they want a cedar tree and they want it to be 8 foot tall from day from day one. and you know I I’ll do some of these jobs but it’s it doesn’t really fulfill what I’m

trying to achieve like because an 8ft tree for example um you know there’s so much more resources that have gone into it at the nursery so much more resources that go into transporting that tree to the planting site um and then you know by the time you’ve eaten up all these resources uh you How much carbon is that tree sequestering? Like is it um really going to be making a difference um in terms of you, you know, in terms of reducing the client’s carbon footprint? And I don’t know necessarily the answer to that, but

I do know if you’re planting saplings, you know, I can fit a 100 saplings in a in a in a grocery bag and uh transport them very easily and uh there’s a lot less resource resources that have gone into growing those saplings. uh and therefore I’m very confident that by planting those saplings um that I will have a a positive impact on your carbon footprint. Um, so there have been a few jobs um where a client has, you know, I’ve planted 200 saplings in a day and I so I’m I’m proud of those jobs and that’s

really what I want to be getting more of, but it’s hard because that’s not what people want for the most part. >> Mhm. Right. Totally. Um, uh, I I’ve I’ve I’ve I’ve got a sketch of a potential pond. I I had received a quote on. Would you be willing to take a look at it and and give me some tips and tricks. Um, you can see like the the dimensions of it and stuff. Um, uh, the tree is a silver birch. Actually, we’ll throw this on the screen too people can see. >> Um, what would you recommend? Uh, now

you know there’s no, uh, it’s all natural trees there. There’s nothing uh out of the ordinary, you know, your your your cedars and pines really. Uh silver birch. Yeah. I mean, I think it looks great. Um >> you know, you’ve got the intake bay on one side and the waterfall on the other side, which is good for like the the flow of the water. Um >> I would say um make sure that it’s deep enough. Um because uh for example like uh for frogs to hibernate, they need uh a pond to be

deep enough uh where the bottom of the pond doesn’t get frozen. Same thing for fish or or anything else that’s going to be living in the pond. Uh so you want it to be at least 4 feet deep. Um but you know to be on the safe side, maybe a little bit deeper. M um and then you can use some uh some different plants to help filter the water as well. I mean, obviously you’ve got a pump system, so there’s going to be a filter included in that system. Um but you can use different plants like uh horn wart uh to

help kind of naturally filter out some of the >> some of the particles and stuff. >> See, like that’s what I’m open to. Like I don’t even I’ll probably get you to do it as well, too. And I don’t know if I want like the whole pump system. I want something kind of natural. Less uh maintenance the better if it could be naturally maintained. And then sure, I don’t know if >> I don’t know if it needs like some some little shock of chemicals or something,

but probably not. Like uh actually that’s a good question too, right? Like >> you know, it really depends what what do you want out of the pond. Like if you want a perfectly clear pond where you can see the bottom, yeah, you you might have to use some chemicals, >> but if you’re okay with it being a little bit cloudy, >> um >> 100%. I’d rather more natural >> something like even if it’s a little swampy, like that’s cool. If there’s like if there’s life there, like that’s

just fun to watch, right? As well, too. And also another thing you want to do, um, put like some dead branches on the edges, like kind of half in the water, half out. >> Um, because dragon flies will lay their eggs in rotting wood and then it’s the dragon flies that are going to eat the mosquitoes. So if you don’t want too many mosquitoes, >> Wow. >> put some rotting wood around the edges. >> Wicked. Mind blown. I’m getting chills, actually. That is so cool, dude. What a

wicked tip to give people. And thank you for letting me know that. That is sweet. And that’s like bringing it like that’s like the circle of life again. Like all like like even dead things are useful. >> Yeah. That’s what it’s all about. >> That’s wild, dude. That is so cool. Yeah. I think uh Yeah. And plus also like without like the the the pumps and everything like it’s going to be drastically less expensive, too, obviously. And that’s a consideration. We’re not looking to make like a

Yeah, because I I’ve done quotes for people with like with the whole pond or the the waterfall and pumps and everything and and Yeah. those those pieces are not cheap. Um >> Yeah. And the hoses and the fittings and everything. But >> yeah, and the location of that was actually like not very close to our house. And so like running like uh something for a power source is just like absurd. I was actually I did the math on like 400 watt solar panels on like if they could like generate enough

power and a battery to like keep the pump running, but it was no. I’d rather just like it be more natural and put a bench there and just like go there once in a while and just watch. >> When I was doing research for my first pond, um I was really obviously I wanted to make it as natural as possible as well. Um and one of the things I came across is like for the the lining, you can kind of create like a clay lining, which I tried to do, but it didn’t work out so well. I I I I think the clay we

found wasn’t like high enough clay content or I don’t know what happened, but we did end up having to use like a HPDM pond liner. Um which is what I used for for the next pond as well. Um >> but yeah, there is ways to do it more naturally. >> Wow. >> That I haven’t quite figured out yet. But Right. >> Yeah, it’s a it’s a beautiful vision for this pond, you know, just it’s not big. 20 by 20 basically. Um, and you know, just big enough for like a hockey net to

maybe like do some slap shots against like not like a full hockey game or nothing, right? In the winter and then in the summer a place to go sit down, enjoy like that’s where like my mind goes now. Like what what’s cool things that my daughter can can experience? Like so then when she’s older she can say, “Yeah, my dad had a pond and we used to go walk through the the trail and sit on the bench and all see the blue jays and stuff.” So that’s what it’s all coming down to.

Yeah. And the last one I built um the the client, he uh his thing was he loved birds and so he really just wanted a big bird bath, right? Um so the way we did that is kind of on one end of the pond we made it very shallow. Um, and put some rocks in there so the birds could stand in the water and so you could sit there and watch the birds. >> Sweet. >> Um, yeah, >> that’s pretty cool. I like that. Yeah, we’ll definitely talk more about my pond >> later, dude. That’s great. You got a

sale. >> You got number. >> What are some um uh other services that that you do? So, we do we do lawn care, we do gardening, we do snow removal, uh leaf cleanup. Do you do anything there? Mulching? Yeah, we do leaf cleanups. Uh we do mulching. Uh we’ve also um I built some >> like some flag stone pathways. Uh so uh I don’t know if you’re familiar, but basically >> uh so I when I first started the business, you know, in my first year, I was kind of in a like say yes to

everything mode, like you know, take what you can get. >> And I did some interlocking, >> which I hated. I it was just so repetitive and um just like just mind-numbing and and backbreaking too. And but so I haven’t done any interlocking since then, but I I have done some flag stone, which to me was a lot it was a lot more fun cuz you’re working with natural pieces of stone. Um and you’re not following a pattern. you’re kind of moving them around and and making your own pattern and it felt

more a lot more creative to me. Uh so that was uh a lot more fun. And then also >> I mean the gaps in between the flag zone are a little bit bigger than your gaps uh in interlocking where the bricks are kind of right up against each other. So it allows um uh for better, you know, water drainage and and some other things. So, it’s like a I don’t know. So, >> no, that’s good. I mean, as a business owner, you get to decide what do you And that’s good that you kind of explored

potential other jobs, too. You tried it and then it wasn’t for you and you never want to do it again. And I agree with that. I there’s been jobs I’ve done I never want to do again. And for photography and video, >> um um so as a Yeah, you know, you get to have that power which is which is great. That’s one plus of owning a business for sure. and deciding when you want to have lunch as well, right? Um, but most days I just skip I skip lunch. >> I know. Yeah. I literally I literally I

have coffee in the morning, >> maybe an egg. >> Yeah, >> maybe. Sometimes it’s usually because I’m cooking breakfast for my daughter and I’ll I’ll throw in an extra egg. And I’ve been really proud of myself making putting uh uh um not uh uh what’s it called? Um, I’m blanking right now. Mozzarella. Shredding some mozzarella and the egg. I’m so proud of my cheese omelets. They’re so good. But anyway, like that’s ridiculous. >> Yeah. Like like honestly, when I’m

working, like >> I’ll just get up and go. Like I won’t even eat. Like if if I’ve got my guys working with me, that’s when I’ll eat cuz I’m like, “Oh, I need I need these guys to eat.” So then we’ll go and have lunch. But if I’m on my own, like I’ll just power through sometimes. >> You just listen to your body too, right? And that’s also kind of in line with like natural holistic kind of approach of everything you do. And yeah, I agree.

Like um if you’re hungry, then eat, you know, I don’t know if you need to eat three rambunctious meals every single day. >> Maybe that’s why. And if you’re not doing any walking either, like that’s probably not good. >> Yeah. I don’t know. >> I don’t know. We’re not we’re not health experts. >> Yeah, >> it works for me. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Uh I’m trying to to potentially grow an apple tree. >> Okay. >> Do you got any tips for me? So, I’ve got

um >> I’ve got four apple trees. >> Okay. >> They’re all different, >> but I’ve gotten from Alma Orchards. Uh they have a a type of apple that they’ve actually like created called Snowflake, and it’s delicious. It’s almost like a cross between cosmic crisp and it’s like a cosmic crisp essentially. It’s a little like, you know, um really punch to the to the taste. And like a year ago, if you were to ask me, I’d be like, I don’t care. Apples an apple. But no,

like apples matter. Like there’s delicious apples, literally red delicious, and there’s like all different kinds. >> So are they all this uh what was it? Snowflake something. >> Snowflake is a is a type of apple they’ve actually grown uh out. So all four are snowflakes or no? Okay. Yeah, cuz you want to have different types so they can like pollinate each other. >> Right. Right. So this is my question now. Pure amateur. Like I’ve got Okay, whatever. All four. None of them are

snowflakes, but I’ve collected the the apple seeds from the snowflakes. I’ve put them in a airtight container with something in there to whatever make sure it’s dry, right? Okay. >> Put it in the fridge. I don’t know. I I Googled it. That’s what I was apparently supposed to do. Maybe I’m on the right track or not. Yeah. I mean the that’s the hard thing is like every plant especially for like germination of seeds like every plant is going to be kind of different. So you

like you have to Google that specific plant. Like I I don’t have the one sizefits-all answer for that. >> I thought you were a natural encyclopedia. >> This is this is where it all falls off. Uh, but I guess my plan is to like you literally just like dig a hole, you put the seeds in there, and you I guess I’ll have to Google it. >> So, what I what I would maybe try doing is um like you can get one of these trays that has like all these it’s like all these small pots. And so I would

fill that with dirt and plant seeds in all these little pots and maybe grow it on your deck or um you know under some grow lights or something. >> And then once they’ve all kind of germinated then you pick the best ones and you plant those where you want it. >> Wicked. Yeah. That way they’re also a little bit more protected from >> Yeah. And if there’s like a storm or something you can bring them in or >> Gotcha. Right. So grow lights. What else can be Just kidding. Um, do you uh approach

that? Do you want to talk uh about anything about >> Well, like growing pot? >> Yeah. Do you >> I mean, you’reowed. >> I’ve never I’ve never actually done it. My brother My brother grows pot. Um >> Okay. >> Only four plants though. >> Yeah. >> I don’t know. I I mean uh >> it’s like it’s like any other plant. Um, >> you know, you >> actually actually I don’t think it’s like at any other plant. I think they

like they’ve cultivated these plants to a certain point where they’re like it’s very precise science, right? Um, so I think they’re a lot more finicky than a lot of plants actually. >> It’s quite fascinating like the uh the the intricacies and how there’s like literally hundreds of different strains and it can make you feel different every single one. >> It’s quite wild and >> Yeah. I wouldn’t know. I’ve never never seen >> Oh, okay. Yeah. No. Oh, it’s been it’s

been too long. I like just honestly just like a glass of wine is good for me these days, man. >> What’s up? >> Let’s talk Let’s talk about the podcast. Uh what are your what are your goals? What what is your vision for the podcast? >> Thanks for asking. Yeah, I mean yeah, that’s wild. Whoa. Spinning this on me now. >> You know, >> I am the captain now. you know, I wanted to start People of Durham because um I think it’s really fun to meet people like you, you know, and

and and giving uh uh the community a place and an outlet to just learn about interesting information, you know, it all kind of started from the very first episode was uh uh Toad Tony um uh John Batista and he was uh he’s a barefoot runner uh and he runs around the area Whitby and and and whatnot. And I’ve literally seen him for like the past decade just this dude running barefoot and I’m like damn that guy that is a serious dude running barefoot and uh I just want to find out like why how did

he start? How does he feel? What did those feet look like? you know, just like, you know, more to life than just like boringness, you know, like things that just like peek behind the curtain and like maybe there’s more to life than just trying to pay off a mortgage or start a family. Um, you know, why why can’t we just share stories? And it’s all about storytelling for me. So, I got him on podcast and it was all by chance. I’m shooting a real estate listing and this dude’s running by and I’m like, “Wait.”

And I’m like, “Would you do a podcast with me?” Like, it’s just weird and funny, but he was like, “Absolutely. Do you want me to uh I can be on camera for this real estate listing, too? I can say it’s a great house.” >> So, so before that happened, had you did you already have this idea of the podcast, or was it kind of >> in some form or another? I think we definitely wanted to do a podcast. um naturally like it’s such a great outlet. Even just from this episode alone, we’ve

we’ve got our like approximate one-hour episode and then uh a a dozen or two short clips and all of it is like everyone’s attention span is on like short clips that lead to bigger things. It’s kind of like the sales funnel of your website, right? >> I mean, I’ll be honest, like I’ve only seen the shorts. I haven’t watched a full episode. >> Yeah. No, neither have I. And I mean, you know, but like there there could be like the odd chance that it grows into something where it’s like

people that are like >> I think you got a better chance than that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, like people might be like, “Yo, I like what what what Scott’s talking about and I actually want to listen to the whole thing. I liked that he mentioned this tiny little piece. I’m going to go to the link to to listen to it. I’ve got a commute to work and I’ve got an hour to kill, you know, or like 30 minutes, 30 minutes, whatever, right?” Um but, you

know, like Yeah. So, I think it was actually something potentially else other than people of Durham. Um, and and you know, I’m a I’m a I’m a sucker for like little acronyms and stuff. So, I’m like, pod, it’s a podcast. >> Yeah. Yeah. That’s sick. It’s a great name. >> Yeah, I know, right? And it’s it’s cool. And it works well. And it’s like we’re all connected, you know? >> Yeah. Oh, nice. And uh so, what kind of uh what kind of guests are you looking

for? >> Yeah. So, you know, like not just like only interesting people, you know, like um um um just like you’re regular folk too, but I feel like regular people have something really interesting to say anyways. Even if you try and have someone super boring, you’re going to come out with a great conversation and you’re going to have some some awesome little stories to come out of that um and just learn people uh learn from people, meet people, expand your network, um and and just like keep going

more and more and meeting cool people, like-minded people and things like that, you know. So, who you know, I would love to have I don’t know his name, uh but many people know who he is. I’d love to have the bunny’s ear guy from Oshawa on. >> I know he’s very private though, but his story sounds like something that would be amazing just to, you know, have people listen to and spread that message and story. He’s obviously wearing the bunny ears for a reason. Um, you know,

and uh it is a very private reason and that’s fine, but he’s also wearing them still and kind of like wherever he goes it’s sort of like advertising without saying anything. Um some you know if someone like that uh ever wants to share their story on a bigger outlet could be here you know and uh they can share their message and and their their message of hope and uh prevailing through difficult times you know and I think we need that especially now more than than any time really you know like

the post-pandemic era is very fragile everyone’s all up at arms even if you’re slightly not in line with your beliefs, everyone’s an [ __ ] you know, like like But that’s not true, though. That’s what it just may seem like, but we actually are a lot nicer than than meets the eye, you know? and we can have a sit down talk and enjoy each other’s company and and find the similarities in our differences as well too, right? And I think that’s very important and I think we need that more, you know. Um yeah, it

doesn’t it’s not left or right or black and white. It is just us and it’s us on this planet together and we’re dealing with all the same [ __ ] and we got to get through it and we got to be nice to each otherwise if we don’t if we’re not careful >> could end. That’s it. >> Damn. Damn. >> Goes back to the theme of life and death there. Damn. Full circle. >> Yeah, man. >> Damn. Well, I’m excited to uh to see where where you go with this and uh

maybe I’ll >> maybe I’ll watch some full episodes, too. >> Thanks, man. So, how can people find you and learn about your business? >> Sure. So, it’s uh just Carroll Property Services on all the platforms. That’s Carroll with two Rs and two L’s. So, C A R R O L L Property Services. Um that’s also my website. Um I’m on Instagram and Facebook mostly. Um, or you can shoot me a text, call me 289-943-5477. >> Really appreciate it. Thanks for coming on the show, bro.

Thanks for having >> Awesome, dude. Thank you very much. We’ll have you back in the future, I’m sure. For sure. Awesome, dude. Sweet.”